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U.K. Government's Welfare Reform Bill

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For those of you following the Ontario Social Assistance Review, you know that substantial changes are being proposed to the Ontario Disability Support Program.  Notably, there are proposals to radically change the program to include a back to work requirement in some cases. A paper called Discussion Paper 2 has been released and the Commissioners for the Social Assistance Review are looking for feedback by asking certain questions.

The U.K. has already implemented many changes to their ODSP equivalent called the Incapacity Benefit Allowance. A very good site has emerged discussing many of the changes and I've included a link below.  Take some time to review it as it has a wealth of information on what has been in progress for the last two years in the U.K. but is being rolled out throughout comprehensively throughout the U.K. presently. The site has links to the changes and some specific information in particular to those people living with HIV.

Attached Link: http://benefits.tcell.org.uk/page/home
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  Affiché le 15 mars 2012

 

Anonymous

Also related to the 'reforms' going on in the UK is a report written by pwd debunking gov claims. The Spartacus Report: http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-support-spartacus-report.html A nasty bit of business.

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Répondu le  15 mars 2012 @ 16 h 16

Anonymous

The proposals that have been made here in Ontario mirror much of what has already gone on in the UK. I can only hope that Ontario doesn't repeat many of the errors the UK has made. A coalition that I belong to has many of the people (with a diversity of disabilities) anxious and worried.

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Répondu le  15 mars 2012 @ 17 h 14

Anonymous

UGH really? I'm so sorry to hear that. As Ontario goes... so goes the nation. I had hoped with the disabilities act that Ontario was more .... realistic towards pwd. How are the proposals being countered? What they did in the UK which I thought was fantastic is they filed freedom of information requests to look at the data used to substantiate the proposals. Turns out it was a pack of lies. The gov hadn't even followed their own consultation procedures and policy. Are the proposals online anywhere? I'd like to see them. Thanks!

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Répondu le  16 mars 2012 @ 18 h 8

Anonymous

The final report is supposed to be released June of 2012. The Commission for the Social Assistance Review has requested feedback on specific questions. The link to their discussion papers is here. http://www.socialassistancereview.ca/home One of the best response I've seen comes from the Ontario Public Servants Union. Their response was very good. I guess we'll here where this will go in June. OPSEU, the union, issued their response here. http://www.opseu.org/ops/march-2012-submission.htm I know about the UK. I went to your link and found out some people and groups on twitter and I've been following them. The UK is a disaster. An absolute disaster. I really feel that we have to use them as an example of what not to do. Thanks for that site, I"ve been checking it out and following it closely. I'll keep this post updated on Ontario when I here the next stage. But check out the Commissioner's website. All the papers are there.

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Répondu le  16 mars 2012 @ 22 h 40

Anonymous

News from We Are Spartacus: http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/main-content/-/article_display_list/13584314/gpc-seeks-talks-with-dwp-over-atos-fitness-to-work-scheme-concerns Spartacus site: http://wearespartacus.org.uk/2012/03/23/no-longer-lone-voice/ I love what they've done, tremendous effort. Just fabulous.

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Répondu le  24 mars 2012 @ 2 h 24

Anonymous

Hello Again, I didn't know you'd replied there is no notification for that. It's late so I just had a scan of the two docs you linked to. Are they seriously thinking of privatizing social services? I have no words. I can't help but note how the gov doc dances around saying 'living wage'. If you suspect that the gov is gaming the input to suit what they want to hear, I would suggest maybe start submitting access to information requests now so that you might get something and be able to digest it prior to June when the report is released. I also noted in my brief read that they say nothing about the availability of employment of the willingness of employers to hire pwd. Do you happen to know the % of pwd employed by the ontario public service?

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Répondu le  24 mars 2012 @ 2 h 54

Anonymous

Also (I wish that 'returns' worked here, makes it so hard to read! Have you considered researching this and submitting something to the UN? Canada is due to report on its progress on the UNCRPD next month. Rumour has it, they are going to be on time. Because the UN is 3 years behind on their readings pwd have all that time to write and submit opposing reports! There is an effort underway now to create such a report, written and researched by pwd across canada. I'm managing the overall project let me know if you're interested please! This reform would be an excellent case study on how ontario is adhering to the convention.

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Répondu le  24 mars 2012 @ 2 h 59

Anonymous

Finally - disability orgs should be apprised of the contents of the report prior to it being released. Is that happening, can you get a peek?

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Répondu le  24 mars 2012 @ 3 h 2

Anonymous

There have been TONS of responses to this review from a diversity of organizations. If you Google "Social Assistance Review" , many large organizations and disability advocate organizations of submitted responses. Many people are working on it. I posted another topic on this site, Review of Ontario Social Assistance with a link to one of many articles that are appearing in newspapers. On Tuesday, the 27th, the Ontario Budget will be released and we'll probably have a better idea as to the direction. The writing is on the wall. The Commissioners are due to present their final response in June of this year which should be the basis on the revised policy. For me personally, I want to work but am having a difficult time finding a job. On a personal level, I would welcome better employment support services as the ones I've encountered provides no added value. Since I am on ODSP, I cannot access services like Employment Ontario which is better than Employment Supports currently provided by the government. The new proposal would allow people like myself to access better employment support services and programs which I personally welcome. But my situation is not everyones. I know many people where I live that if sent back to work, would be disasterous as I doubt the high level of support they would need would be available to them. Within a month, a much better picture will emerge. I've posted a topic which I'll post updates.

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Répondu le  24 mars 2012 @ 9 h 19

Anonymous

There have been TONS of responses to this review from a diversity of organizations. If you Google "Social Assistance Review" , many large organizations and disability advocate organizations of submitted responses. Many people are working on it. I posted another topic on this site, Review of Ontario Social Assistance with a link to one of many articles that are appearing in newspapers. On Tuesday, the 27th, the Ontario Budget will be released and we'll probably have a better idea as to the direction. The writing is on the wall. The Commissioners are due to present their final response in June of this year which should be the basis on the revised policy. For me personally, I want to work but am having a difficult time finding a job. On a personal level, I would welcome better employment support services as the ones I've encountered provides no added value. Since I am on ODSP, I cannot access services like Employment Ontario which is better than Employment Supports currently provided by the government. The new proposal would allow people like myself to access better employment support services and programs which I personally welcome. But my situation is not everyones. I know many people where I live that if sent back to work, would be disasterous as I doubt the high level of support they would need would be available to them. Within a month, a much better picture will emerge. I've posted a topic which I'll post updates.

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Répondu le  24 mars 2012 @ 9 h 19

Anonymous

Hello again, I was reading the personal stories on http://sareview.ca/ late last night. I had NO idea it was this bad in Ontario. I'm horrified and overwhelmed.

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Répondu le  24 mars 2012 @ 22 h 58

Anonymous

Let's see what actually happens. We won't have a better picture until Summer. Because the proposed changes are significant, it will take a lot of time to change. I"m waiting for tom morrow to get a better indication.

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